Wednesday, August 25, 2010 • 12:00 AM Comments (15)

"I Sarah Palin, do solemnly swear, to uphold . . . "

posted by Jamie

Re my recent post: Sarah backed five candidates in primaries yesterday. They all won.

The percentage of Americans who think the prez is that nasty, dirty, evil thing, a Muslim, has risen to the twenties, the percent who say they "don't know" his religion, is in the forties. I think he's an atheist myself, but that's my own little fantasy. People aren't reaching these conclusions without help. Can you help someone believe that Palin's had, say, multiple abortions and interracial lesbian affairs?

I'm almost beyond the "let's fight dirty" phase. I'm ready to brace for defeat, get my passport renewed and look for English-teaching jobs abroad.

Barack seems to strongly support our right to bear arms. Maybe it's time for our side to start buying 'em. Ready to grab your semi-automatic and march on Washington against the Palin administration, anyone?

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"percentage of Americans who think the prez is that nasty, dirty, evil thing, a Muslim, has risen to the twenties, the percent who say they "don't know" his religion, is in the forties."

Speaking of jumping to conclusions: You are assuming that all who think he's a Muslim view the religion in a negative light. I doubt that's the case.

You've got an itchy Islamaphobia trigger, my friend.

Posted by J oe on 8.25.10 at 15:26

Oh, Jen, I think that's pretty naive of you. Nearly everyone claiming that a black president who says he's NOT a Muslim actually IS a muslim probably isn't a fan of Muslims, or, more phobia for ya, black people either. The coffee is a-brewin' - wake up and smell it.

Posted by jamie on 8.25.10 at 16:37

"Nearly everyone claiming that a black president who says he's NOT a Muslim actually IS a muslim probably isn't a fan of Muslims, or, more phobia for ya, black people either."

Solid analysis by you. But let's look at your comment again:

"percentage of Americans who think the prez is that nasty, dirty, evil thing, a Muslim"

Here you are implying... YOU are implying... that to be Muslim is to be a nasty, dirty, evil thing. I completely disagree and it's dissapointing that you would post such a careless statement and have it condoned by advocate editors. They you assume that these same people also are prejudiced against black people. Again you are showing your class and apparently your intellect as well.

The only thing I find curious in all of this is the aggressive response by the white house and their vigor in explaining how often he meets with his christian advisors, etc etc.

And who's Jen? Is that you attempt at humor or your lack of attention to detail again?

Posted by J oe on 8.25.10 at 16:50

You may want to do some research before moving to England. They have citizen requirements that will upset you, based on your recent blog lashing out at extreme right wingers who want to strike down "anchor baby" laws.

If you were born in the United Kingdom on or after 1 January 1983

If you were born in the United Kingdom on or after 1 January 1983, you are a British citizen if at the time of your birth one of your parents was:

  • a British citizen; or
  • legally settled in the United Kingdom.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/othernationality/Britishcitizenship/borninukorqualifyingterritory/

I don't understand how you view that as a right wing concept seeing that most of Europe makes no connection between birth and a right to citizenship.

Posted by J oe on 8.25.10 at 17:09

Ah, but in America, the great melting pot, the great land of immigrants, in the past few decades, the left has defended the rights of immigrants while the corporate right has used them as cheap labor and the moralistic right has scorned them as undeserving of the right to become Americans. And I really don't plan to teach English in England. :)

Posted by jamie on 8.25.10 at 20:42

jamie - you conspicuously left out the word "illegal" every time you mentioned immigrants above. Isn't that the issue? Are 'muricans' against immigration in general or illegal immigration? (I'm pretty sure most are OK with people coming here legally, working, and paying taxes.)

But again - this isn't a right wing issue as you have previously described it.

Posted by J oe on 8.26.10 at 6:48

Hey Joe, did you know that Jamie had my IP blocked, so I can't post on the Advocate anymore?

You are not reading this.

Posted by EricL on 8.26.10 at 7:52

I'm alarmed at that news, Eric. I always believed that The Advocate supported all points of view even if it's not at all reflected by their featured bloggers. If you are left wing, you can spew any kind of hate and profanity (as long as it's directed at the far right) and you're A-OK. If the likes of you and I craft logical arguments - not acceptable. I guess the difference is that liberals are smarter and their positions are fueled by good intentions. Our positions are fueled by hatred, bigotry, and a love for big oil.

Posted by J oe on 8.26.10 at 8:51

"Barack seems to strongly support our right to bear arms."

To be fair, I think he said "cling to our guns." Not sure if it was a ringing endorsement but he definitely mentioned it.

Posted by J oe on 8.26.10 at 9:40

Eric. I never blocked your IP address. I have no access to such things. It appears some comrade of mine at the Advocate has had enough of you too. Funny stuff. Don't forget to keep spreadin' the lies, kids!

"Our positions are fueled by hatred, bigotry, and a love for big oil."

It's funny because it's true!

Posted by jamie on 8.26.10 at 9:42

Jamie - Good people can't disagree? Is it really your plan to be a left wing cartoon or can you answer that question?

Posted by J oe on 8.26.10 at 9:51

"Ready to grab your semi-automatic and march on Washington against the Palin administration, anyone?"

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"Our positions are fueled by hatred, bigotry, and a love for big oil."

It's funny because it's true!

Posted by jamie on 8.26.10 at 9:42
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"the moralistic right has scorned them as undeserving of the right to become Americans"
This is illogical. As I have pointed out, questioning the connection between birth and citizenship isn't a right-wing idea.
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Mark - I'm sorry to hear that you're proud to host content like this. (..and those are just outrageous statements I gathered in about 20 seconds)
Posted by J oe on 8.26.10 at 12:46

Mark,

How very interesting but maybe you need to talk to your IT department because every time I try to access Valley Advocate from home, I get a page reading "We're updating, try again later!" But when I check in from work or from a proxy account, no problem at all.

As for illogical, thoughtless debate I would say "Doctor, heal thyself." Jamie erased multiple comments from me when I asked him to substantiate his comment that ACORN was unfairly targeted. James Heflin had to climb down from a long screed putting all blame on the 9/11 mosque controversy on the right wing when I (and Joe) pointed out that many Democrats and a large majority of Americans oppose the Cordoba House. Generally speaking I think you'll find that when your bloggers stick to the facts, they don't get any grief. When they Photoshop pictures of Sarah Palin and use one-sided attacks/lies to promote one viewpoint, they're just begging for a response.

And if you stop blocking my IP address, that's what they'll get.

Posted by Eric L on 8.26.10 at 12:51

Good points, Eric. I think all we want is for many of these bloggers to acknowledge that good and smart people can disagree. The fact is that much of the rhetoric put out by advocate bloggers is far more offensive than anything said by us and essentially begs to be challenged.

That said, I think we forgot to mention Howard Dean, yet another non-right winger who questions the placement of this mosque.

"I personally believe that there are other possible solutions that could result from [a dialogue] and that a genuine exploration of those possibilities is something we ought to try."

"This center may be intended as a bridge or a healing gesture but it will not be perceived that way unless a dialogue with a real attempt to understand each other happens," he writes. "That means the builders have to be willing to go beyond what is their right and be willing to talk about feelings whether the feelings are 'justified' or not.""

"Dean argues that most of the people opposed to the "ground zero mosque" - actually a planned Islamic community center that would include a mosque two blocks from the former site of the World Trade Center -- "are not right-wing hate mongers." He says that while the developers have a right to build what and where they want, they should consider that many Americans "have very strong emotional resistance to building on this site.""

""This is about ending the poisonous atmosphere engendered by fear and hate, and in order to do that there has to be genuine listening, hearing and willingness to compromise on both sides," he writes."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014240-503544.html

Posted by J oe on 8.26.10 at 13:17

Woo-hoo, this is the most comments I've gotten in ages! And, well, who wouldn't want to be a cartoon? Can I be Bugs Bunny?

Posted by jamie on 8.26.10 at 23:15
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