Wednesday, August 07, 2013 • 12:59 PM Comments (19)

Good Guys without Guns

posted by James Heflin

Somehow I think Wayne LaPierre isn't going to amend or complicate his binary good guy/bad guy gun talk. It is nonetheless interesting that what stopped the recent gunman in Pennsylvania was a pair of good guys without guns:

"[Bernie Kozen and Mark Kresh] positioned themselves in a way that they were able to jump on the subject as he came through the door," Bivens said. "They wrestled with him in an attempt to subdue him, even as he was firing rounds."

Kozen is the director of parks for the township and Kresh is a citizen who was present at the meeting. After the initial struggle, they held Newell down and bound him with clothing.

It's easy to lose sight, in gun debates, of the fact that there are viable methods of self-defense other than guns--weapons or methods that don't go off when you're cleaning them, dropping them, or leaving them where kids find them. A gun is sometimes clearly more effective, but owning one is a particularly high-stakes trade-off.

As is often the case in these matters, it also bears examining at what point this shooter changed from "good guy with a gun" to "bad guy with a gun."

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Good example, here's another.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder911-operators-shoot/story?id=15285605

Ya know, for the rare times when a couple of brave guys aren't available to see someone early and wait by the door to jump on him for you. But I grant your point that the example above would work to prevent the vast majority of crime. I'm almost convinced to get on board with this disarming movement.

Posted by Ben on 8.8.13 at 6:35

"But I grant your point that the example above would work to prevent the vast majority of crime."

Where is that point made?

Posted by _ on 8.8.13 at 13:36

Let's have a debate via anecdotes!

"RALEIGH, N.C. Police say a 23-year-old man told them he shot and killed a man who confronted him in his Raleigh apartment with a gun.

Investigators said Vincent Bellamy told them the man struck the gun in his face around 1:45 a.m. Saturday, but he was able to get to his own weapon and kill the intruder,"

When we outlaw brave guys to tackle criminals, only the...something something.

Posted by NRA4EVER on 8.14.13 at 8:11

Blog not debate. Blog blog.

Posted by Zog on 8.14.13 at 19:23

Oh man, did you see that three white guys shot a black Australian in cold blood?

What? The shooters were black and the victim was white? Never mind.

Posted by The media narrative on 8.21.13 at 16:59

Good guys with guns are even better than good guys without guns.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/21/homeowner-shoots-escaped-prisoner-in-southwest-iowa/?intcmp=trending

Rodney Long was shot to death after he broke into a retired farm couple's home in Bedford about 10:15 p.m. Monday, awakening them. Long, who was armed with a handgun, cut their telephone lines and used their cell phone, Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation Special Agent Mitch Mortvedt said.

After about four hours, Jerome Mauderly, 71, shot Long with a shotgun in the kitchen of the home he shares with his wife, Carolyn, 66.

"As the situation wore on the decision was made by the Mauderlys they were going to defend themselves," Mortvedt said. "At 2:11 a.m. the Taylor County Sheriff's Office received a 911 call from Carolyn Mauderly."

Posted by Ben on 8.22.13 at 7:01

Australian's killers apprehended, charged, apparently admitted murder and will no doubt go to jail because of. Zimmerman? Finally brought charges against, got off.

See how that's different?

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