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Imperium Watch: Flying Girders, Falling Towers

Is the public ready to consider evidence that controlled demolition brought down the World Trade Center skyscrapers?

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Thursday, October 22, 2009

In the lofty auditorium of Northampton's First Churches on October 10, an audience of perhaps 200 listened as San Francisco architect Richard Gage presented evidence that the World Trade Center's Twin Towers and WTC Building 7 were brought down on Sept. 11, 2001 by controlled demolition—by planted explosive charges, not by the impact and resulting fires when the buildings were hit by hijacked airplanes.

Gage, a member of the AIA (American Institute of Architects) with 20 years' experience designing large gymnasiums and mixed-use structures, presented visuals showing that the longest documented skyscraper fires have never thrown a steel-framed building into total collapse, even fires that burned up to 18 hours (the towers fell less than two hours after the planes hit). He also showed that the cave-in from the centers and the straight descent of the towers at free-fall speed was visually similar to textbook cases of controlled demolition.

He showed that tangled fragments of steel girders were ejected as far as 400 and 600 feet from the lower parts of the towers, a phenomenon hard to explain unless they were propelled by active charges. He showed Building 7 collapsing straight downward in clouds of pyroclastic dust though it was never struck by the planes.

And he cited physical analysis purporting to prove that dust containing signature elements from the high-tech military explosive thermite covered New York after the explosion.

Much of the mainstream media has written off this information from Gage and his 900 colleagues in Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth as conspiracy theory, though the group does not put out a theory about who blew up the towers or why. Resolutely empirical, AE 9/11Truth only asks for a new investigation of the towers' collapse that does justice to the physical evidence it presents. Now, in spite of initial resistance, more and more venues are opening; Gage speaks today to an audience of aerospace professionals at the Sacramento Chapter of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics.

Americans faced the appalling fact of President Kennedy's murder and waded through piles of evidence supporting a welter of explanations. They confronted Watergate and evaluated the evidence that the White House was covering up crime, even the banal crime of burglary. They should be able to hear evidence concerning the 9/11 disaster and judge it on its merits. Increasingly, the signs are that they will.

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Thank you for writing this. Not too many will write an article on this subject, and those that do ought to be commended for it. Please, keep up the good work, spreading the real news, and don't ever sell out like big media has. :)
Posted by Revere on 10.20.09 at 21:03
Articles like this never cease to amaze me, and I feel like pulling my hair out every time these theories gain mainstream notoriety or even, shit... acceptance. Let's be clear here: The World Trade Center was not brought down by a controlled demolition. The idea is absurd on the face of it, but any crazy theory can be galvanized by a group of like-minded thinkers who share a burning hatred and distrust of a man, group or concept. I don't have the time or werewithal to debunk each claim made in the article, but ask youself this: since when are two skyscrapers collapsing from the point of impact made my Boeing 757's "visually similar to textbook cases of controlled demolition"? Demolition crews don't slam airplanes into buildings, and that last sentence of the second paragraph alone makes this article look like a hack-job. Controlled demolitions have the entire building fall at once, not having the top of a building fall onto itself. If the 'mainstream media' (whatever THAT means) has written off much of this information, then maybe there's a reason for doing so. I know that it's tough in this day and age for a journalist to make a controversial stand, but you need some huge brass ovaries to accuse the Bush administration (or someone even more secret and sinister) of murdering nearly 3,000 Americans not just by subletting the job to religiously fanatical terrorists, but actually getting a large enough crew together to rig the towers to blow, pay or threaten all of them well enough not to talk, do it all in secret without anyone suspecting a thing, and setting the explosives off at the exact point of impact. That doesn't even explain why the towers would need to be rigged to blow in the first place. Apparently the coordinated mass murder of Americans using hijacked airplanes just wouldn't be enough for the powers that be to do whatever it was needed doing. I'm all for investigations. Hell, I'm not beyond thinking there may have been advanced knowledge of such an attack or even Bush & Cheney being in cahoots with Bin Laden, but to claim the towers were blow'd up with evidence that amounts to "Well this certainly LOOKS like a controlled demolition" does not deserve to be printed in any respectable outlet, at least not without a well-thought-out rebuttal. For more detailed debunking, take the time to look at: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html# http://www.debunking911.com/ http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
Posted by Pete Williams on 10.21.09 at 8:22
To Pete Williams: You and I have one thing in common -- we both don't want to believe that elements within the government could be that evil. The difference between us is your position is very easy to take, you don't want to see the evil so you just don't, and you can go back to your coffee and newspaper. For people who know the 9/11 truth, it is very difficult, gut wrenching in fact to confront that truth, yet we do it because we can see the greater good for the country and the world in exposing the liars and murderers. Regarding your idea that too many people would be involved would suggest that the CIA also couldn't even exist. How would they get all those people to keep their mouths shut? The threat of a bullet is pretty effective, as would be the torture or rape of your family. The reality is, you have a military and the CIA who take orders and don't question them. The 911 Commission even said the military lied to them and wanted criminal charges laid but the Bush overseer Zelikow over-ruled them. As well, many have already talked. There are lots of whistle blowers but the mainstream media won't interview them or tell their stories. People like FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, ex CIA people like Ray McGovern, US Consular officials like J Michael Springmann who after rejecting many applications for visas was ordered by the CIA to issue unqualified arabs US visas in the same Consulate in Saudi Arabia where 11 of the hijackers actually got their visas, or Robert Bowman, a U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions, and a PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology who said scholars and scientists "have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official investigations have really been cover-up operations." The laborers who may have painted the nano-thermite gel onto the steel (pure conjecture on my part, since you are requiring us to explain it) certainly didn't need to be told what it was - they were painting. Incidentally, Marvin Bush's company Stratsec / Securacom had the security contract for the Twin towers and the elevators were upgraded in the previous year providing unseen access to the core columns. Add to that the ability to fly a jet by remote control or to a preprogrammed destination which has existed for DECADES, radio-controlled detonators and your impossible scenario suddenly becomes quite possible. Molten steel at Ground Zero as cleanup workers testified on video, and multi-ton beams flying hundreds of feet laterally prove the official account is false. Check out http://patriotsquestion911.com and http://www.ae911truth.org. By the way, the theory advanced in Popular (Auto) Mechanics magazine of a pancaking collapse was rejected by NIST, and most recently NIST was forced to admit there were several seconds of free-fall collapse in Building 7 for which they had no explanation.
Posted by David on 10.21.09 at 11:31
September 9, 2009 Richard Gage talks to Alex Jones about his recent appearance at the Commonwealth Club, his take on Charlie Sheen demanding a meeting with Obama to discuss the 9/11 cover-up and his experience participating in National Geographic Channels 9/11: Science and Conspiracy. http://edwardrynearson.wordpress.com/a-man-of-steel/
Posted by Edward Rynearson on 10.21.09 at 21:31
Too many people don't believe the govt version of 9/11. Richard Gage is not alone. 950 professionals have signed his petition, hundreds of professors (including chemist Niels Haritt, look into his credentials), and now the former Director of NASA Aerospace Projects (Dwain Deets, 37 years of flight research with NASA). 80,000 New Yorkers recently signed a petition asking for a new investigation. Don't let this fester and get worse. I bought and read the Popular Mechanics book hoping that it would set aside any questions. Sadly this book is composed of an extended introduction, it investigates only the most ludicrous theories (never mentioning the most important ones), and the last 40 pages are useless comments. The government sits silent, content that the odd tv show such as a recent National Geographic commercial production will make all of the inconsistencies go away. Setup a truly independent investigation, that's all. When architects and scientists are labeled as "kooks" something is wrong with this picture.
Posted by GV on 10.22.09 at 6:59
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Posted by Daniel Bland on 10.22.09 at 15:11
Did these "engineers" graduate from college? Because its pretty difficult to think that any of them could be stupid enough not to understand how a 747 filled with fuel could collapse a building.
Posted by Michael Ian Black on 10.22.09 at 15:47
No airplane hit the WTC7 building, which also fell. Its owner said in a television interview that later in the day they decided to "pull it." Questioning these things doesn't mean accusing the government of anything, it just means some things deserve a thorough investigation of what went wrong and how to avoid having it happen again.
Posted by Fly on 10.22.09 at 21:07
What a dumb article. "the straight descent of the towers at free-fall speed was visually similar to textbook cases of controlled demolition." That's fantastic research. Perhaps extremely tall buildings hit by commercial airliners just happen to fall that way. My point; there is nothing to compare the falling towers to. Unless we can look at the way other similar buildings fell when they were hit by commercial liners, there is no case to be made. People get off on conspiracy theories and the advocate is all too happy to help. Did the gov't plant the demo explosives before the planes hit the towers or after? Did NYPD hit the "self descruct" button when the time was right? What a joke.
Posted by Joe on 10.23.09 at 6:08
Michael Ian Black: as I mentioned above 950 (and growing daily) licensed architects with college degrees have reviewed the evidence and signed a petition asking for a new independent investigation. They are joined by a large group of academics, see http://www.st911.org/. You may not have any training in architecture, like most people, and shrug the collapse of WTC as an obvious result of being hit by a plane. But professionals are forming a consensus view that the way in which the buildings fell (free fall speed, everything turned into dust) correlates with controlled demolition. Rather than call scientists and architects "stupid" look at the evidence yourself. One more point not address are the growing number of pilots and Boeing engineers (some of whom I know personally). Pilots with years and experience flying commercial planes. They state that no pilot, especially amateurs with zero experience, would be able to strike at 500 MPH (as happened on 9/11) the WTC which is 215' wide. When a pilot lands a jetliner they slow way down and hit a huge runway. At 500 MPH one tiny control movement and the whole plane goes way off target. This is discussed by pilots who have formed a group online, and their credentials are impeccable. In fact, a decorated pilot who runs a jet simulation booth for training, setup this scenario in his simulator and none of the experienced pilots he had run the exercise were able to hit. We are told two amateur pilots struck bullseye at full speed a few hundred feet over the air. Impossible. I don't want to speculate on how this happened but the official story does not add up. An independent investigation has NEVER occurred. How do you like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm58cPH8L78 When architects and scientists, and decorated jet pilots are labeled as "kooks" something is wrong with this picture. You haven't seen this have you? http://patriotsquestion911.com/
Posted by GV on 10.23.09 at 7:05
"We are told two amateur pilots struck bullseye at full speed a few hundred feet over the air. Impossible. I don't want to speculate on how this happened" hahahaha I'll say it again... how do these brain scientists know how a building SHOULD fall when hit by commercial planes?
Posted by Joe on 10.23.09 at 8:18
Watch the presentation of Richard Gage here it answers your question quite clearly. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8182697765360042032# Since the date this was recorded a great deal of new information has been compiled which bring further scrutiny to the government story. Laugh all you want Joe. The joke's on You.
Posted by GV on 10.23.09 at 8:52
GV - It all started in college (or maybe even high school) for you and your ilk. You blindly nodding your head at any hack that comes in with projector or power point presentation. Empty sponge. Gage is a hack who has never worked on a high rise in his life and his card board box demonstration is something straight out of an SNL skit. He has no experience with controlled demolitions. "They state that no pilot, especially amateurs with zero experience, would be able to strike at 500 MPH" GV - Did you miss the part where the terrorists took flight training in preparation for the attack? "950 professionals have signed his petition" Not just random civilians... 950 "professionals" signed? I apologize, GV. I'm on board now. That's nearly 1,000 people with undocumented credentials so it most likely legit. haha
Posted by Joe on 10.23.09 at 9:47
I once saw a man do a presentation at my college saying that humans should have exhausted food sources from land and oceans by now and that the only way to continue life would be to create self-contained civilization bubbles (inverted globe with artificial gravity) that traveled in search of new inhabital planets. I was 19 and thought it was feasable. Luckily I've grown up since then. I just hope Ted Turner is wrong about that cannibal thing. That would be rough.
Posted by Joe on 10.23.09 at 10:26
FD - By the way, please confirm whether or not you are professional. That will have a significant impact on how seriously I take your comments from this point forward. Thank you in advance.
Posted by Joe on 10.23.09 at 10:30
I've had a lot going on and admittedly have lost touch with many of my ilk. Good for them.
Posted by Joe on 10.23.09 at 11:06
"In fact, a decorated pilot who runs a jet simulation booth for training, setup this scenario in his simulator and none of the experienced pilots he had run the exercise were able to hit." If amateurs and decorated pilots alike could not hit the target, who do you believe performed the act? Did the gov't send specially trained pilots for the suicide job? Were they drones? What the entire thing a hologram?
Posted by Joe on 10.23.09 at 13:44
The pilot discrepancy is of particular interest to me because my father was a pilot, was president of a local flying club, and I grew up around pilots and planes in the 70s. I've flown Cessna's next to my dad on numerous occasions. I suggest you verify yourself the speed of the planes at impact (400-500 MPH), then do your own research into whether or not it's possible for even the best pilots to strike a 215' wide target at those speeds with a Boeing jetliner. It's impossible. Beginner pilots, regardless of having a license, could not have done it once, definitely not twice. Impossible. This is best explained in technical detail by pilots themselves, and I encourage you to look over the link below for some pilot testimony. http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html Like RIchard Gage, I don't care to speculate on what directed the planes into WTC (though others have mentioned Flight Termination Systems). I just care for a new independent investigation. The silence of airline pilots is disconcerting. It's so obvious that pilots with no experience couldn't fly at those speeds, so low to the ground, and hit with perfect precision, yet the nation's pilots sit idle and say nothing except for a few hundred who have gone public at the link above. Cowardice is not something I have ever associated with pilots. 9/11 and the aftermath was a time of great confusion and mourning. It's time for everyone to look at the facts as we know them today, grow a backbone and demand a new independent investigation along the lines of what Architects and Engineers are petitioning for. Dwain Deets is a retired physicist with 37 years of flight research at NASA. His research and accomplishments are remarkable to say the least, outlined here on the NASA website http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/NewsReleases/1996/96-10.html Mr Deets is currently giving speeches around the nation together with Richard Gage and Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, asking for one thing--a new, independent investigation. What are you afraid of Joe? When NASA flight researchers, academics, licensed architects, and commercial pilots are called "kooks" it's time to check yourself Joe.
Posted by GV on 10.23.09 at 16:26
Being of such a stark contrast to what the evidence and official version reveals, having an impartial scientific analysis and report is of great importance, especially with the aggressive foreign policy of the US using the events of september 11 to justify two invasions (undeclared wars).. No wonder people are in denial. However, if our civilization has the chance to evolve, we must unite behind a true scientific method, as per the paper published by The Open Chemical Physics Journal: "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe" * Volume 2 - ISSN: 1874-4125 . We will either develop as a society based on justice and science, or we will spin the truth into oblivion. * http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM Also recommended is this reference book, about an issue called another smoking gun: "The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7, Why the Final Official Report about 9/11 is Unscientific and False By David Ray Griffin Published by InterLink Books - Northampton, MA For more resources - www.FlybyNews.com
Posted by Jonathan Mark on 10.25.09 at 10:50
Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. Albert Einstein
Posted by Reaper on 10.25.09 at 13:54
One doesn't need hours of debunking to show how bogus this organization is. Just look at their home page. They list the "signs of controlled demolition", which is not based on any type of expertise on controlled demolition mind you, just whatever claims they think they need to make their case. In it they include "falling into its own footprint" as a sign in the case of World Trade Center 7. Then for the twin towers they list "falling outside of its footprint" also as a sign of controlled demolition. Great, that covers 100% of the possible cases! How exactly is that a sign of anything? I don't know what that is, but it definitely isn't science.
Posted by Jamesb on 10.25.09 at 14:21
For all Journalists and other Media interested in 9/11 Truth, please go to and sign the petition. You can also sign the "other supporters" if you are not in journalism or media.
Posted by Mike Casner on 10.25.09 at 14:34
sorry, here is the website for Journalists And Other Media For 9/11 Truth: www.jomp911t.org
Posted by Mike Casner on 10.25.09 at 14:36
Here is one reason among many, to NOT trust Popular Mechanics: Forman Williams, the lead engineer on NISTs advisory committee, and the most prominent engineering expert for Popular Mechanics, is an expert on the deflagration of energetic materials and the ignition of porous energetic materials. Nanothermites are porous energetic materials. Additionally, Williams research partner, Stephen Margolis, has presented at conferences where nano-energetics are the focus. Some of Williams other colleagues at the University of California San Diego, like David J. Benson, are also experts on nanothermite materials. So? NIST knows all about nano-thermite, yet mysteriously does NOT check the WTC "collapses" for explosive residue, and yet this is exactly what has no been irrefutably proven to have been the cause of the destruction of all three skyscrapers on 9/11. And this dirt bag has his hands into Popular Mechanics as well? Good luck with this one Pete Williams :)
Posted by Mike Casner on 10.25.09 at 14:55
I'm surprised at the level of debate here. It's quite obvious that the buildings were detonated. There's no other way they could fall as they did. We've been through this a thousand times and now approaching 1,000 engineers and architects on the ae911truth.org site alone. However, it's true, if you don't think about the physical facts it's hard to believe such a thing. If you do think about the physical facts, it's impossible to deny, no matter how much you want to. Don't silence the messenger or the message. Let us prove it in an open forum and then a court. Thanks for the article.
Posted by Steve Stark on 10.25.09 at 15:02
Watch the collapse videos of building 7 yourself at http:/www.wtc7.net/videos.html Tell ten people.
Posted by Robet Stevens on 10.25.09 at 15:05
Well written Stephany Kraft! I believe the buildings were blown up. Look at the video footage.
Posted by Fred on 10.25.09 at 15:08
Hey Joe, Your questions are good ones. How COULD architects know how buildings should fall when hit by planes, since we have never had similar circumstances to compare with? The answer is simple actually. And you don't need to be an architect or engineer or scientist even to understand it. Anyone can see it, because it has to do with something that everyone has expertise with. Namely, what gravity is, what it is and isnt capable of, how it looks, works and feels. The official government explanation for the collapses is that roughly an hour after the plane impacts occurred, the asymmetrically fire and impact damaged structures collapsed completely, evenly and symmetrically to the ground in just over 10 seconds each, through the path of greatest resistance, BY GRAVITATIONAL ENERGY ALONE. The Government insists that NO OTHER FORCES WERE PRESENT. NO BOMBS. NO EXPLOSIVES. NO INCENDIARIES. JUST GRAVITY. The planes crashing into the towers, as terrible and destructive as they were, divert and distract ones attention from the following critical comparison: So what is easily comparable, is the critical collapse sequences lasting just over 10 seconds for each tower. Forget for the moment all that occurred in the lead up to the collapses and just focus on the critical collapse sequences. It is helpful to look at photos and videos of the buildings during their collapses which are in abundance on the internet. Simply use you own inherent knowledge and wisdom in examining the images and ask yourself, "IS THIS GRAVITY, OR IS SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON?" Now it is quite possible to lie to ones self about these images in order to avoid painful conclusions, but assuming you are honest with yourself, It is simply that easy for ANYONE to be CERTAIN that they are being lied to by their government. Good luck Joe.
Posted by David on 10.25.09 at 15:52
Hi again Joe, and others with good questions about how anyone can be certain that the government is lying about the tower's destruction since there is no collapse precedent to compare with. As before, I suggest reviewing pictures and video of the collapses and comparing them with your own inherent wisdom and knowledge of gravity. Here is a particularly good video that illustrates the collapse of the north WTC tower: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtx_GcFCs6c The government insists that what you are seeing is the effect of gravity. Take a look with an open mind and compare it to your experience and knowledge of gravity. Ask yourself, "Is this gravity?" Does this agree with my inherent knowledge of gravity and how it works? Best of luck!
Posted by David on 10.25.09 at 16:19
BTW, there was a plane crash into Empire state building in 1945. Guess what happened: the building is still standing there. There was even huge fire in one of the Twins in 1975. And the building remain standing there. Can't help myself, I still believe in laws of physics, despite the fact US is country of unlimited possibilities...
Posted by sysel on 10.25.09 at 16:28
Excellent article. Takes a lot of courage.
Posted by Insurgency Music on 10.25.09 at 16:40
Anyone who believes the Bush believers conspiracyy theory that 19 Arabs did 9/11 need their little antenae on their tin foil hats polished up. Just catch up by following ; 911blogger.com Also search E-Heidner-911-commission-report-revised-december-2008 (See also under Heinder; 'collateral' and 'collateral1' to see why the bankers planned it and why the office of naval intgelligence at the Pentagon had to be specifically targetetd and why the Bank, Cantor Fitzgerald had to be wiped out. Blowing up the buildings was a distraction to cover years of money, gold and drug money laundering by the CIA and banks. See 'Collateral1' to understand how the sub prime mess was a result of the laundering of 240 billion dollars. You see people, the stock exchange etc was closed down, That is how they were able to launder 240 billion, that went to the sub prime loans which were on sold as derivatives around the world. Wakey wake America. A lot of investigation has to be undertaken. Good luck
Posted by Uncle Dick on 10.25.09 at 18:02
If you find it hard to believe that elements within Washington or just New York for that matter could conceive of killing 3000 people in NYC just look into Iraq at the 2 million dead. What did these people do other than scratch out a meager living in the middle of a desert. Nearly starved to death from years of our own sanctions, 500,000 children dead for lack of medicine, shelter, water and food..The things most of us take for granted. That's the problem and the reason we aren't compassionate toward our fellow man, at least the children. When this evil camps out on your front stoop I wish you all the best, maybe when you see your children being raped and your father being blown to bits you'll find a little compassion. God Help us all.
Posted by Keith on 10.25.09 at 18:46
Please view the youtube video which was posted several comments ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtx_GcFCs6c The towers were clearly brought down by explosives! I think the doubters have not seen the complete video footage. On the news they typically show only a few seconds if any at all. The buildings are pulverzing into dust ABOVE the point of airplane impact! Ten floors per second! Impossible without nanothermite on the girders.
Posted by Google Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth on 10.25.09 at 20:51
To those who think that the people involved were kept quiet via "The threat of a bullet is pretty effective, as would be the torture or rape of your family," I have one simple question. Why hasn't the government tried that on Richard Gage? The fact that he's alive reveals what a bunch of nonsense this is.
Posted by Pat Curley on 10.25.09 at 23:32
@Pat Curley "Why hasn't the government tried that on Richard Gage? The fact that he's alive reveals what a bunch of nonsense this is. " its because of people like you. since people like you are not very intelligent, why would gvt risk any exposure? they just tell a lie, and dumb people like you eat it up with a smile on their face(s). pat, pat, you really are not very smart, eh?
Posted by tres on 10.26.09 at 0:03
Well done Valley Advocate! To all you OCT supporters: Just read "The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Centre 7: Why the Final Report is Unscientific and False". 2.5 seconds of free fall acceleration. hmmmm...
Posted by David on 10.26.09 at 1:05
"Does this agree with my inherent knowledge of gravity and how it works?" Absolutely priceless.
Posted by Joe on 10.26.09 at 5:13
Thanks to the Advocate for the courage to publish information that Americans should not be afraid to look at. The truth is painful -- at first. Then you are released from your blinders. NIST violated standard investigative procedure by not looking for explosive residue. Why? "Because if you're looking for something that's not there, you're wasting your time." That's their actual excuse. WTC7 collapsed, according to their "explanation," because of a "previously unseen phenomenon" -- the "miracle" at the end of any unprovable premise.
Posted by notthere56 on 10.26.09 at 7:13
The evidence that 9/11 was an inside job (and the WTCs were CDs) is incontrovertible and overwhelming despite what the `debunkers' further. Anyone who is `neutral', check it out for yourself. The debunkers arguments of `our govt would never do that' or `if it were true, Gage would be dead', etc. are weak and pale in comparison with the `steel framed buidlings falling at freefall speeds (as admitted by NIST)', They're either corrupt or so brainwashed that the laws of physics become `conspiracy theory' to them Let them continue their blasphemy and enjoy their slippery slope to the hell reserved for idolators and all those who hate truth
Posted by gallenk on 10.26.09 at 7:26
Pete, Popular Mechanics? Really? You're that naive, and not to mention lazy and cliche? Read a book called "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" and you will quickly realize how gullible you were for buying into Popular Mechanics' 24 year old lead researchers garbage.
Posted by Anonymous on 10.26.09 at 7:47
Thanks so the main stream media's love affar with Bush and his administration, this truth will never come to light. They would have no desire to pin the biggest gov't controversy in history on George W. Bush. It's a shame.
Posted by Joe on 10.26.09 at 9:35
The truth is beyond obvious--kudos to Ms. Kraft and the Advocate for having the courage to make their readers aware of this important discussion taking place.
Posted by Gretavo on 10.26.09 at 10:50
Congrats to The Onion for surpassing the Valley Advocate as a news source. I'd like to hear one of you yahoos explain how people on the hijacked plans called loved ones during the attack. I'd also love to hear you explain Gage's "credentials." This story is pathetic even by Advocate standards.
Posted by Joe on 10.26.09 at 12:50
Thank you for this objective report on Richard Gage's groundbreaking investigations.
Posted by typeWTC7intoYOUTUBE on 10.26.09 at 14:37
Listen to Joe "Thanks to the mainstream media.....this TRUTH will never come to light". At least you got something right Joe.
Posted by Tommy on 10.26.09 at 14:46
You know something ... Joe, at first I too thought that the idea that there was a fundamental flaw in the government's story was a loony concept. Because I still had the Pollyanna viewpoint that if there were anything to the story, I'd have heard about it in the Mainstream media. Despite my having such faith, as you apparently do, once I was finally prompted to actually look at the facts ... Well I mean it is not even close. I have a degree in Physics and I am a trial attorney with 25 years of experience. If anyone had the stones to take the government's position against me in a courtroom, I'd put up every dollar I have and could borrow on a bet as to who'd win. The government's position is laugh out loud ridiculous once you do take the time to look at the facts. Now I really cannot fault anyone too badly for starting out believing in the government's story, because I did myself. So here is what I cannot figure out about people like you, and so maybe you can explain this. Back before I looked at the facts and believed (like you) that a challenge to the official story to be loony ... I would not have wasted 3 minutes of my time with people who believed otherwise. I mean ... why would I? And why do you? Why do you care? There are tons of far-fetched theories about that you could chase down. Why do you spend your time on this? And while your investing further time answering that ... there is a question that no one answer satisfactorily. With all the big names and credentials questioning the government's story( http://patriotsquestion911.com/), in addition to a peer-reviewed paper on nano-thermite, how is it possible that the 24/7 Mass Media does not give this story any play? Even if ridiculous, it would sell. Yet it is censored.
Posted by Tom on 10.26.09 at 15:39
Hey Joe, (and others) we'd love to hear you explain how WTC7 fell straight down for 105ft at free fall. 2.25 secs which is 1/3 of the entire collapse time of 6.5 secs. So where did 8 stories, 100m wide, 40,000 tons of structural steel and concrete disappear too? I guess if you are right and we just have fire, then a miracle happened? Maybe Barbara Eden appeared, folded her arms, nodded her head and blinked it out of existance? Perhaps Elizabeth Montgomery arose from the dead, twitched her nose and made it vanish? What does NIST say about it. Let's see "Free fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it... there was structural resistance provided in this particular case and that there was a sequence of structural failures that had to take place and that everything was not instantaneous. " - Shayam Sundar, Lead Investigator, NIST WTC7 Report. But what does the final report say? "...the north face descended at gravitational acceleration, as the buckled columns provided negligible support to the upper portion of the north face. This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories or 105 ft...2.25 seconds." - wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf Oh my, what the report says is not what he said. How can that be? He said there was no free fall. What is their answer this dilemma? "In a video, it appears that WTC 7 is descending in free fall, something that would not occur in the structural collapse that you describe. How can you ignore basic laws of physics? In the draft WTC 7 report.. NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories (the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based on video analysis of the building collapse. This time period is 40 percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the north face of the building had descended solely under free fall conditions. During the public comment period on the draft report, NIST was asked to confirm this time difference and define the reasons for it in greater detail. To further clarify the descent of the north face, NIST recorded the downward displacement of a point near the center of the roofline from first movement until the north face was no longer visible in the video. Numerical analyses were conducted to calculate the velocity and acceleration of the roofline point from the time-dependent displacement data. The instant at which vertical motion of the roofline first occurred was determined by tracking the numerical value of the brightness of a pixel (a single element in the video image) at the roofline. This pixel became brighter as the roofline began to descend because the color of the pixel started to change from that of the building fa￧ade to the lighter color of the sky." - http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html Are you kidding me? Their entire report relies on one pixel? Really? Did other pixels on the same plane exhibit this? I guess not since they only picked one. And they still didn't answer the question. They just state free fall and say it is consistant with their model. Well here is their model, do you see the free fall? Do you see ANY resemblence of their model to the video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC0U36QWWAA And all of you defenders of the gov't are ok with this? I guess so, it must be better than thinking your own gov't was complicit. We can depend on them to take care of us. The gov't has such a great history of being good to us. They would never do us any harm like infect hundreds of people with Syphilis and not treat it just to see its effects (Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment) or blow up a commercial jetliner and blame it on Cuba (Operation Northwoods). They wouldn't plant people in the media to provide disinformation to the public would they? (Operation Mockingbird) Or even lie about WMD's so we can go to war killing and maiming 10's of thousands US soldiers, killing 10's of thousands of Iraqi people and maim 100's of thousands more. Nooooooo not at all, the idea is absurd on its face isn't it. The gov't has such a stellar reputation that we all can rely on. This has to stop. We MUST demand the truth. If we don't, the next attack is a certainty and it will be far worse. The real terrorists do not live in caves, they walk around in $5000 suits and occupy the highest offices of the gov't, military, and business. We must take our country back.
Posted by Dan K on 10.26.09 at 15:51
Thank you for writing this article. The sooner we as a society accept the fact that 9/11 was planned by the US Government, the sooner we can heal and take the necessary steps to ensure that it won't happen again. In response to another comment: There are "black" military operations going on all the time, why is it hard to believe that this could be carried out by select military and political officials? Ever heard of the "Manhattan Project", or the "SR-71"? These were arguably larger and much more difficult covert operations that nonetheless DID remain secret and were successful. But fundamentally this question doesn't even matter because incredulity has no effect on reality. A creationist may believe the universe is 6000 years old, but unfortunately the universe is the way it is whether you like it or not. The objective evidence for controlled demolition exists, whether you like it or not.
Posted by Facilitate Truth on 10.26.09 at 19:30
You know what, Tom? If you were interested in anything other than being hysterical, you'd speculate as to why & how this was done. In order to take your position, you must believe that first hand evidence was faked (people calling loved ones from planes, security footage of the hijackers, etc). You also must believe that the WTC's were prepped in advance with explosives. Sorry folks... This has nothing to do with a blind trust of gov't. You need to come up with something better than "it just didn't look right the way those buildings fell" before you'll be taken seriously. Until that time, you are all a joke. Sorry.
Posted by Joe on 10.27.09 at 5:15
Thank you Advocate for finally publishing some worthy information about this critical topic. My personal arc on the issue was that at first I was too flustered and shaken to even consider alternative scenarios to the official conspiracy theory (OCT). But with time and some encouragement by others I actually started to look at the facts, and the whole house of cards quickly toppled. It seems to me that no one of sound mind can dispassionately look at the actual events and facts (which means doing some research, as the mainstream media has truly done their job to non-inform and dis-inform with reference to this subject) and not realize that the OCT is a pile of utter crap. The comments section here includes some good points about why the OCT doesn't hold up, and I won't expand my own comment to include some more - the information is widely available online, including several movies such as Loose Change that are streamable. Gage focuses on one important facet of the entire false account, and he did a remarkably good job at presenting the truth about demolitions vs. impossible collapses. I urge anyone who is still perplexed or unsure to track down some of the array of info, including Gage's own film at ae911truth.org and make up their own minds. Sometimes the truth doesn't really set you free - some truths are treacherous tar babies of a sort; but spreading the truth - howsoever painful - is a necessary activity in a functional society. Again, thank you Advocate, thank you Stephanie Kraft, and huge thanks to Richard Gage.
Posted by Mark B on 10.27.09 at 6:35
what is Gage's experience with high rises? This is priceless.
Posted by Joe on 10.27.09 at 6:43
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com presents detailed interviews with eyewitnesses to the Pentagon attack proving that the plane did not hit the building. Everyone in a position to be able to tell places it on the entirely wrong flight path to have caused the observed damage, which was directional and therefore required a very specific flight path with zero room for error. (Go to the FAQ section and read number 2 for a detailed explanation on that.) The plane was seen flying away just after the explosion by multiple eyewitnesses who have been on record with since 2001. Go watch "National Security Alert" on that website, read the FAQ, watch the supplemental presentations in the evidence section, etc. It's not conspiracy theory. It's video testimony from eyewitnesses who were there.
Posted by Adam on 10.27.09 at 8:44
To Pete Williams I understand your mindset, better than you might think, because I held it just as firmly as you do, for several years after 9/11. But th edifference I believe is that a close family member that I trust was convinced otherwise, and he kept providing me with information that he claimed proved that the government's story was wrong, and even a lie. What I did was try my best, through meticulous research, to prove him wrong. I cannot tell you how much I wanted to prove him wrong! However after numerous attempts on my part had turned into failure, due to the laws of physics, and the hundreds of crazy coincidences that the official story was constructed upon, it finally clicked one day that, much to my horror, he was completely right. I have since continued to vet every story, every resource, and find that most of them only reinforce the position that 9/11 was an inside job. Oh, there are many crazy stories out there, but after years of constant attention to this, I find there are people spreading disinformation, and they eventually wind up in an identifiable group, and I suspect are funded by the real terrorists. Your Popular Mechanics, the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, are prime examples of carefully crafted disinformation sources who have no intention of getting to the truth, but have a clear agenda to poison the well. There are millions of people around the world that know the truth, and many in positions of power and influence who risk their reputations and careers by saying so publicly. Check out http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/ and see for yourself Peace
Posted by grimfandango on 10.27.09 at 12:16
I commend the author for having the courage to listen to Gage's presentation, weigh the evidence for herself, and stand up for what seems to be truth. We don't have to point the finger of blame at the government, or CIA, etc. simply to ask questions, to follow the evidence, and face the consequences. Think for yourself people! Don't listen to me, or Stephanie, or that "person" named "joe" who has posted at least ten messages to this list, who's obviously being paid to keep you in the bubble of convenient assumptions, to keep you from looking at this more-closely. Go to the AE for 9-11Truth website and watch the video for yourself. Warning: it's boring. There's no flashing visual effects or dramatic theme music... just an architect methodically laying out a case. You decide.
Posted by James on 10.27.09 at 14:03
Excellent point James. I want a new investigation because an enormous amount of evidence disputes the government version of 9/11. I haven't seen anyone "debunk" what Mr Gage presents, and he offers to debate anyone. He's just called names. It's very suspicious--who is Joe and why is he here with the tired schtick of making light of this important endeavor? If I were in charge of this website I'd traceroute his IP address. Locally, my city police force just released a 900 page police review of a single shooting that occurred last year. Police should be thorough. They open up old investigations all the time. There is no reasonable explanation for refusing to launch an independent investigation of 9/11. That doesn't mean I've already placed the finger of blame on anyone. A common diversion tactic is to smear anyone who questions 9/11 with "You think George Bush did it!!!!". I want a proper independent investigation. That's all.
Posted by Greg on 10.27.09 at 14:22
What experience does Gage have with high rises? (In case my previous attempts at this question were missed)
Posted by Joe on 10.28.09 at 11:27
"What experience does Gage have with high rises? (In case my previous attempts at this question were missed) " Joe: Why are you asking this? Do you think he is unqualified in some way? Since what occured on 9/11 was unprecedented I expected to have a full forensic investigation. When I looked at the NIST reports I find that the forensic investigation I expected did not occur. That has me more than just suspicious it has me outraged. I know the precedents for the type of situation by what police do when a murder occurs or the FAA does for a Plane crash of NASA did for the Space Shuttle Disasters. Looking at both sides it is clear to me that Gage has more substantiated evidence that point to controlled demolition than NIST has. NIST had to ignore evidence in order to come up with their story which has about as much basis in reality as Goldilocks and the three bears. They admit to building experiencing free fall which is totally at odds with their simulation. The simulation is one where there is deformation of the superstructure which precludes free fall. As Shyam Sunder of NIST said "a free fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it"
Posted by Tony Lambregts on 10.28.09 at 13:24
"Joe: Why are you asking this? Do you think he is unqualified in some way?" haha. Yes. You are very quick, Tony. Why can't you answer the question? Is it because you have no idea what Gage's experience with high rises is? Or were you mesmerized by his ridiculous cardboard box simulation?
Posted by Joe on 10.29.09 at 5:13
Hey Joe, Mr. Gage has experience with large scale, low and medium rise steel frame buildings. The same laws of physics apply to all structures. What's your experience with childbirth? Or are you one of those crazy conspiracy theorists that claim that babies come out of women's bodies and not from storks like everyone knows. PS. The cardboard box simulation you refer to (Mr. Gage drops 2 equal cardboard boxes, one over another box and the other over nothing) illustrates a simple often overlooked point. The destruction of each tower occurred in a little over 10 seconds, roughly comparable to rate of free-fall acceleration. The government's theory for the towers destruction (something they never actually investigated by the way, they only investigated to the point of "collapse initiation" and assumed the rest was inevitable) absurdly assumes that the tens of thousands of pounds of steel structure in the undamaged lower 70 or so floors, was equal to the resistance of air. The simulation begs the question, "what happened to all that sound, intact steel structure in the lower 70 or so storeys?" "Why did the lower 70 floors of intact building all of a sudden go from full support, as designed and built, to allowing the upper floors to fall as if they didn't exist?"
Posted by David on 10.29.09 at 7:45
David, I'll ask again if you can cite Gage's work with high rises. His credentials are searchable inside the world wide web. You will find that Mr. Gage has no experience with high rises and has even admitted that controlled demolition is outside of his expertise. He also doesn't know the difference between static and dynamic loads. Which one of us is drinking the coolaid, David? It's sad to blindly believe in someone - whichever side you're on. At least have the dignity to research Gage and understand who you are believing in.
Posted by Joe on 10.29.09 at 9:37
"What's your experience with childbirth? Or are you one of those crazy conspiracy theorists that claim that babies come out of women's bodies and not from storks like everyone knows. " By the way. FYI http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1223617/No-men-OR-women-needed-artificial-sperm-eggs-created-time.html "No men OR women needed: Scientists create sperm and eggs from stem cells" You're learning a lot today.
Posted by Joe on 10.29.09 at 9:41
Joe: We do not judge an argument based on who is saying it. Where would we be If physicists only looked at Einstein's credentials when he proposed the special theory of relativity? Ye god's man, sure he had a degree in physics but he was working as a patent clerk. You seek to discredit Gage via his credentials which is a logical fallacy: http://unitedcats.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/logical-fallacies-1/ Ad Hominem, personal attack, poisoning the well. Attacking the source of the argument or the person making the argument. This can be a simple as insulting the opponent, it more often involves casting doubt on their credentials. The inverse can also be used, claiming to be persecuted for ones theory is common. What all ad hominen arguments have in common is that they are about the circumstances and surroundings of the argument, and do not directly address the argument at hand.
Posted by Tony Lambregts on 10.29.09 at 11:20
Hey Joe, As interesting as the other subjects are, (where babies come from etc.) they have little bearing on the questions being asked. Which are..... What happened to the lower 70 or so storeys of the WTC towers, consisting of tens of thousands of tons of concrete and steel, designed and built to support the upper floors? How did they suddenly go from full support, to allowing the upper floors (actually "the upper disintegrating debris fields") to SIMULTANEOUSLY fall through them at a rate essentially equivalent to that of a freely falling object AND pulverize them?" If "falling freely" uses up all the potential gravitational energy of a falling object, what energy caused the "pulverizing" ?
Posted by David on 10.29.09 at 11:29
"What happened to the lower 70 or so storeys of the WTC towers, consisting of tens of thousands of tons of concrete and steel, designed and built to support the upper floors?" David - They collapsed. A building is not a solid object - they are mostly air - and none were designed to withstand the impact of a commercial airliner and the hundreds of gallons of jet fuel that were subsequently poured into it. I'm glad I could help explain what happened to those 70 floors. You can keep saying "why" as long as you'd like to waste your time and energy. It doesn't mean your questions haven't already been answered. PS to Tony - Gage is no Einstein. Just trust me.
Posted by Joe on 10.29.09 at 12:17
Joe, How, if "falling freely" uses up all the potential gravitational energy of a falling object, did the disintegrating debris fields SIMULTANEOUSLY fall through the lower 70 floors at a rate essentially equivalent to that of a freely falling object AND pulverize them?"
Posted by David on 10.29.09 at 13:11
Al-Qaeda is a branch of the CIA, a public relations firm used by the military/industrial/finance complex to generate a neverending war on terror as a replacement for the defunct Cold War (shelved because of a growing danger of war by nuclear accident that was a growing daily and a real probability). So the Soviets folded their tents and quit the high stakes game. During the Reagan years Al-Qaeda was founded by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger. They provided initial funding, arms, technology, and training. Later, command responsibility was passed to Saudi Intelligence (In exchange the Saudi Arabian Royal Pirates attained the withdrawal of US troops from its soil, an increased of oil revenue, and a pass on getting blamed for 9/11). 9/11 was an inside job contracted out to the Mossad and other blind subcontractors. Sherlock Holmes told me that B. Netenyahu and L. Silverstein are dual keys to the puzzle as well as the organizational point men. During the set-up phase of the operation a Bush controlled family Security corporation provide the Trade Towers building security and full cover at the NYC site for nefarious activities. That company was sold three months after the event. The three buildings that went down that day were controlled demolitions. The Missile that struck the Pentagon is separate, but related, and fully US made story. The NORAD stands down is another. The Russian General that let the cat out of the bag at a press conference in Berlin four hours before the first plane crashed into the North Tower is sill a third, but indirectly related event. Russia too, can intercept phone messages and read encrypted satellite buzz. Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga has also joined in the International efforts to wake up the American people from the dangers they are facing by stating in an interview with Italys largest newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. I will also check out the recent Marc Sagemans report. and et back to the readers Your Friend Mountain Man October 29,2009
Posted by Mountain Man on 10.29.09 at 13:38
The efforts of AE911Truth, et al, would not be necessary if NIST and the 911 Commission had conducted a proper, lawful, criminal investigation in the first place! Moreover, whether 911 was an 'inside job' is not dependant on there being bombs in the building; however, we are forced to deal with the cards that have been dealt. Unlike NIST and the 911 Commission, honest researchers are forced to utilize the scientific method - not the political method - in their research. If the dust and debris shows evidence of explosive materials, then it needs to be considered as a more plausible cause for the collapse of WTC towers (Bldg 7 especially) than office fires, especially given the fact that office fires never brought down a steel skyscraper in history (until 3 times on 911) and Shyam Sunder admitted [when asked this specific question during his WTC-7 press conference, Aug. 21, 2008] "And if you looked at the amount of thermite or thermate that would be needed to & bring -- this building down, you would have had to have placed about 100 pounds of thermite or -- right in proximity to the column [i.e. Column 79] , and it had to have always adhered to the column. Because what thermite does is actually it melts the steel. ... And in order to get that kind of amount of materials into the building, and to actually place it, and for this reaction to take place, is unlikely to have actually happened." Did you catch that?? A single 100 lb thermitic incendiary device could have brought WTC-7 down, but it was "unlikely". That's right - "UNLIKELY!" Why? Because 1) that would imply that someone had access to the building and 2) he stated earlier that the detonation would have made a "loud sound"!! In other words ... INSIDE JOB ... And he ain't GOIN' THERE; so they simply refuse to even consider it! Maybe there were no reports of a "loud sound" because Philip Zelikow, as Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission, vetted all evidence - including the testimony and reports of explosions (over 200) by fire fighters and first responders - BEFORE it was presented to the 9/11 Commission members! I think they call it ... PROVIDING PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY! But, then again, I dont have a doctorate degree in skyscrapology&
Posted by Kirk Jaskoviak on 10.30.09 at 18:02
Does anyone even remember that the Bush administration resisted all public pressure to have this CRIMINAL ACT (it was not an ACT OF WAR) investigated for over a year while the structural steel was quietly shipped overseas [under orders signed by Giuliani - an ex-prosecutor ironically!] and the crime scene (including bodies) was unceremoniously scooped into dump trucks and buried at Fresh Kills landfill under armed guard? I am left wondering why the government had concluded within hours (minutes?) that 'al-Qaida' was not only responsible for this event but that the U.S. govt. was certain that the "terrorists" did NOT use explosives given the fact that explosives were EXACTLY their MO in all previous events - including the 1993 WTC bombing. Note that the 1993 bomb was built by Egyptian Colonel Edam Salem under supervision of FBI to entrap followers of 'blind Sheik' Rahman; however, it was revealed during the court trial that Salem had secretly taped his conversions with his FBI handler Special Agent John Anticev after Salem got suspicious when he was directed by FBI to use real explosives for the operation [Salem: "...we was start already building the bomb which is went off in the World Trade Center. It was built by supervising supervision from the Bureau and the DA and we was all informed about it and we know that the bomb start to be built. By who? By your confidential informant. What a wonderful great case!"] Also, most people are unaware that NIST was NOT tasked with investigating HOW the towers were brought down; rather they were asked to develop scenarios whereby WTC 1, 2 and 7 (not hit by a plane) could have possibly collapsed due to FIRES ONLY in order to support the governments official conspiracy theory. [Thats not the SCIENTIFIC METHOD  thats the UNSCIENTIFIC METHOD!] However, after the live testing with optimal jet fuel fires on actual steel models (for HOURS!) failed to weaken the steel in the slightest (deflected only 2 inches over span rather than the 36" min. deemed necessary to initiate collapse of a single floor) the NIST team - insidiously - invented computer models in which they simply entered (i.e. via the keyboard ) the necessary deflection values into the graphic simulation and then presumed that it would have been sufficient to "initiate" the failure of the impacted floor and then further ASSUMED that the entire tower(s) would collapse through the area of greatest structural resistance at near freefall speed  BECAUSE THATS WHAT WE SAW ON TV! AFTER 10,000 PAGES, NIST NEVER EVEN ATTEMPTED TO PROVE THE COLLAPSE OF THE TWIN TOWERS  THEY SIMPLY ASSUMED IT!! Absolutely priceless indeed!
Posted by Kirk Jaskoviak on 10.30.09 at 18:49
'Much of the mainstream media has written off this information from Gage and his 900 colleagues in Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth as conspiracy theory." No, the mainstream media is completely ignorant of the evidence presented by Richard Gage and other members of the Truth Movement. I bet most people within the MSM couldn't name a single bit of evidence that Richard Gage presents. In fact, I would wager that most people within the MSM don't even know the official explanation for how the towers collapsed. The official story thrives off ignorance.
Posted by tanabear on 11.1.09 at 8:55
@ Kirk Jaskoviak that would imply that someone had access to the building and 2) he stated earlier that the detonation would have made a "loud sound" !!  Carlyle, for example, has long historic connections to the Bush family, and to the Saudi royals, and is a major US Defense research and weapons production investor. ᅠON 9/11/01, G.H. W Bush (at the time Chair of the Board) called Carlyle to a meeting in D.C.. There is speculation that he did this so that the Carlyle folks could experienced the Big Fear ᅠup-close, and at that specific meeting, at the same time, the members could witness, first hand, the New ᅠopportunities and new promise of ᅠGreat New Returns ᅠfor their investment fund. Loud Sounds: Multiple explosions captured by media: The significance of multiple-explosions on 9/11 It is much the same as other professional demolitions: the three building in NYC that collapsed into their own footprint [the Trade Towers and Building # 7] -the last was not hit by an airplane or critically damaged by the collapse of the towersall came down at free fall speed. This is easily measured by physicist from the videos of this event. For the buildings to fall at free fall speed the steal beams that form the support structure had to be removed seconds before total failure and collapse of the structures happened. In professional demolitions this is done by the use of super hot thermite cutter charges that slice and dice the supporting beams in sequence. Burning jet-fuel and the flaming contents of the buildings could not generate sufficient heat to melt the massive fire-proofed and coated steal support beams. Further, a steal framed skyscraper has never collapsed from a fire, and a few had fires on every floor, until 9/11. This then, is the first time in history that a skyscraper supposedly collapsed by means other then by intentional demolition. And such a collapse did not happen on 9/11 either. Many witnesses, including firefighter, police, bystanders, professional video-photographers, survivors, and news reporters testified to hearing and feeling multiple-explosions on that day. The video link is a small sample. LINK: TURN ON YOUR SOUND SYSTEM BEFORE OPENING THE LINK BELOW. ᅠ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&NR=1 Your Friend, Mountain Man 11/1/09
Posted by Mountain Man on 11.1.09 at 12:08
@ Kirk Jaskoviak that would imply that someone had access to the buildings COMMENT :In case you missed this: During the set-up phase of the operation a Bush controlled family Security corporation provide the Trade Towers building security and full cover at the NYC site for nefarious activities. That company was sold three months after the event. The three buildings that went down that day were controlled demolitions. The Missile that struck the Pentagon is separate, but related, and fully US made story. The NORAD stands down is another. The Russian General that let the cat out of the bag at a press conference in Berlin four hours before the first plane crashed into the North Tower is sill a third, but indirectly related event. Russia too, can intercept phone messages and read encrypted satellite buzz. [from my first posting above] Your Friend, Mountain Man 11/1/09
Posted by Mountain Man on 11.1.09 at 12:47
@ Kirk Jaskoviak Some One DID have Access to the Trade towers before 9/11. Here is a link to their photos: LINK: In case you missed it: Video: CoreOfCorruption.com - 4 Suspects [Working and Living] in World Trade Center Before 9/11 [Supposedly, working without pay] but Doing Construction ᅠ5 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA9MvV-SrCo&feature=player_embedded ᅠ NOTES The group clandestinely living in the towers claimed to be part of anᅠarts project that called itself geletin. While it is uncertain whether or not they were Jewish, they were not Israeli citizens. They were arrested and questioned by the FBI, shortly after 9/11 but Ashcrofts justice department released them into the custody of Israel. The FBI rounded up (I think it was a hundred and twenty) Art Students, for questioning and they also sought to arrest employees of (an Israeli owned) Moving company. (ALL connected to the Israeli Mossad.) The Moving Company employees immediately fled straight to Israel to avoid arrest in the United States. And lets not forget the five Dancing Israelis, captured by local N.J. Police. Threeᅠof the celebratory dancers later admitted (on Israeli TV) that they were assigned by the Mossad to film the collapse of the World Trade Towers. Later, during the period when it was headed by M. Chertoff, ᅠᅠHomeland Security ordered that the investigations into the Arts and moving company suspects be dropped. Isnt it suspicious that all these suspects of the crime of the century be allowed to flee ? As a Food Gelatin spelled with an a is a food and food additive made from animal bones and cartilage. It has many different uses. http://www.gelatin-gmia.com/html/qanda.html Nutritional properties. As stated earlier, gelatin is not a complete protein source because it is deficient in tryptophan and low in methionine content, however the digestibility is excellent and it is often used in feeding invalids and the high level of lysine (4 %) is noteworthy. More controversially, studies have shown that the consumption of 7 to 10 g/day can significantly improve nail growth rate and strength (17) and it also promotes hair growth (18). Gelatin has also been shown to benefit arthritis sufferers in a large proportion of cases (19). The spelling differs with region, language, and use: gelatin, geletin, gelitin ᅠᅠ As a stage play geletin (spelled with two e s) -is the name of a play written by convicted prisoners from southern Austria that critics claim glorifies infanticide and mass murder. ᅠ As a chemical agent Corrosive properties of gelatin. Although 304 stainless steel (s/s) can be used with milk, gelatin attacks 304 s/s and tubing can be perforated after a few months of continuous usage. With gelatin, it is essential to use 316 s/s and if heat exchanger plates are involved, the use of 316 s/s with the minimum specified molybdenum content of only 2 % can be unacceptable. http://www.gelatin.co.za/gltn1.html ᅠ As explosive Base chemical Blocks of ballistic gelatin simulate muscle tissue as a standardized medium for testing firearms ammunition. NITRO-GELETIN EXPLOSIVE This explosive would be a good explosive for home type manufacture. It is very powerful and is comparatively stable. It's power can be compared favorably with the R.D.X. based plastique explosives. . .more http://www.freewebs.com/lpumsun/gelatinexplosive.html ᅠ NITRIC ESTER EXPLOSIVE COMPOSITION CONTAINING FUME REDUCING AGENT ᅠ. . . 1.ᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠ A gelatin explosive composition of matter containing liquid explosive nitric ester material characterised in that said composition comprises an amount of at ... www.freepatentsonline.com/3755021.html - 2.ᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠ Amazon.com: Introduction to the Technology of Explosives ... The book covers the fundamentals of the chemistry of explosives; ... gelatin, explosive systems, test the donor, different explosives, burning reaction ... www.amazon.com/Introduction...Explosives.../047118635X - ᅠYour Friend, Mountain Man 11/1/09
Posted by Mountain Man on 11.1.09 at 13:04
Please sign the petition at www.jomp911t.org especially for radio people, TV people, and all journalists. We are "Journalists And Other Media Professionals For 9/11 Truth" PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION, we have endorsments which I will paste below from David Ray Griffin, Barry Zwicker, and Graeme MacQueen: "This is an organization that has long been needed." -- David Ray Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor Revisited (2008) and The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7 (2009) "What a welcome organization! Media professionals have a critical role to play in uncovering and communicating the truth about the events of 9/11." -- Graeme MacQueen, PhD, Associate Professor Religious Studies and founding Director, Centre for Peace Studies, McMaster University (ret) is the author of 118 Witnesses (2006). "Anyone who thinks about the matter carefully surely has to conclude that the media (both mainstream and so-called alternative) are the most obvious and complicit roadblocks to 9/11Truth. There are a few honourable exceptions only. More than eight years after 9/11, the media continue to avoid investigative journalism, as their self-declared mandate should have them do. Indeed they fail even to question the official 9/11 conspiracy theory. Instead they typically marginalize or demonize persons or organizations raising questions. All indications are that the media will continue to function as de facto censors of the truth surrounding the events of 9/11 -- arguably the most significant day of our era. Within the media, however, there are individuals of conscience ashamed of this massive dereliction of duty. It is of utmost importance that authentic journalists raise their voices, if for no other reason than to show that the media blackout is not total, that there are some keepers of the light of truth-seeking without fear or favour. Those signing this petition should be considered the conscience of the media, walking in the footsteps of Benjamin Franklin, Lincoln Steffens and I. F. Stone. " -- Barrie Zwicker, independent author, DVD producer, former newspaperman, TV commentator and journalism lecturer is the author of Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-up of 9/11 (2006).
Posted by Mike Casner on 11.3.09 at 10:26
Announcing the showing of "Loose Change, An American Coup", Tue, Nov 17 6:30pm Keene, NH Public Library (free) And: Please sign our petition at: www.jomp911t.org We are a group of 5 diverse New England citizens. A number of common interests drew us together and this website is the result. We passionately care about, and are involved in, the fate of our communities, our country and our planet. We feel that many negative and destructive policies and actions perpetrated by the United States government (and their willing international partners) are wrongly attributed to the fight against terrorism, a terrorism that may have been self-inflicted. We contend that there are still too many unanswered questions, factual anomalies and conveniences surrounding the horrific events of September 11, 2001 to accept at face value the official legend that foreign entities were solely responsible for confounding the worlds premier military power. Another common thread in our lives is that we have all taken the dictum be the media seriously: we all have radio shows that, among other vital issues, exam the official narrative of the events of 9/11 and support the call for a new, unfettered, investigation. We also believe that our efforts, while effectual on a local level, must also be in concert with world-wide media professionals to more readily and quickly achieve our goal. We have a deep respect for media professionals who toil daily to ferret out the truths most important to the world. We seek their help, fraternity and guidance in our common quest. Mike Casner, a resident of Peterborough, New Hampshire hosts the 9/11 Truth Hour on the Keene State College radio station, WKNH 91.3 FM. He is an international distance runner, a member of the US Mountain running team and has worked in the human services sector. Cheryl Curtiss lives in central Connecticut and produces 9/11 Wake-Up Call, a weekly show, on the University of Hartford radio station WWUH. She is a life-long Connecticut resident and family therapist and currently coordinates the English As a Second Language/Bilingual programs for a public school system. George Corrette, resident of New Hampshire, is on-air weekly with his Empire Watch radio show. It is broadcast on WKNH 91.3 FM, the Keene State College radio station. George is a life-long resident of New Hampshire, avid mountain climber and off-the-grid farmer. Frank Tolopko, has adopted Massachusetts as his home state, formerly lived and worked in the New York City area as a computer systems analyst. Now retired, he produces the bi-weekly radio show The 9/11 Report on WBCR-lp, a local community radio station in Great Barrington in the Berkshires. An avid reader and researcher, he is currently working on a book about September 11, 2001. Mike DeRosa. is Community Affairs Director and hosts the weekly New Focus show on WWUH 91.3 FM, the University of Hartford (Connecticut) radio station. The show is a public affairs program about how big business and government affect peoples lives. Mike is a political activist and ran for state-wide public office in 2008.
Posted by Mike Casner on 11.11.09 at 13:22
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